Facing Fear, Finding Community, and Pursuing Big Dreams

In this episode of the Sis Me Too podcast, we’re diving into the real and raw journey of chasing big dreams with Elizabeth Campbell, a third-year law student who’s keeping it real about the lessons of her path to law school. Elizabeth opens up about battling self-doubt, finding strength in her community, and why having role models who look like you can make all the difference. Together, we chat about how fear isn’t the enemy—it’s the push you need to chase what you want. If you’ve ever felt like your dreams are just out of reach, this episode is your reminder to lean on your community, embrace the fear, and keep going. You got this sis! 

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Transcript

Lauren Martin (00:01.475)
Hey, hey, hey, welcome to Sis Me Too podcast where we dive into the real, the raw, and the relatable moments of adulting. I'm your sis Lauren Martin, and today I'm with Elizabeth. Elizabeth and I actually connected a few months ago when she chose to join my community Soul Sisters. She is currently a third year law student at Lincoln Memorial University School of Law. In her free time, you will typically either find her enjoying a book or in the boxing ring, so don't mess with her.

Well, I am so honored and thrilled to have here as our guest for today as we discuss chasing after your dreams. So please join me in welcoming Elizabeth.

Elizabeth Campbell (00:39.872)
Hi!

Lauren Martin (00:43.341)
Hey Elizabeth, so basically, just want to ask, I'm sure we have lots of listeners who are interested in going into law school, because you kind of break down what your past looks like and how you ended up living at law school.

Elizabeth Campbell (00:57.3)
Yeah, so I started in community college in my small town. I just basically started there. So I graduated high school, went to community college. I decided that I didn't want to be in college anymore. So I kind of took a break and because I didn't know where I wanted to be, what I wanted to do, I felt the pressure of like my dad trying to, you know, tell me like you need to go to school or you need to work a full time job. You can't just sit at home and do nothing. So

I kind of felt pressured to go to school and it made me not want to go. So after I took a break and figured out, I kind of went into my community. I volunteered for CASA, which is Court Appointed Special Advocates for Children. So when a child enters the foster care system, they have an advocate from CASA. And I volunteered with them, got to do that. So I got to see lot of court hearings, juvenile court, a lot of that.

school for social work and so I worked my way through community college. Then I went to MTSU, so Middle Tennessee State University in Murfreesboro, Tennessee and I did my four year degree with social work. I still was working and volunteering with CASA. I interned there for like an actual employee and they eventually hired me on and after working there it just kind of like showed me social work is a great path and you help a lot of

people but when you're in the courtroom the judges listen more. I felt like in my experience to the attorneys the attorneys were the one doing a lot more of the advocating. The social workers were well in family law anyway the social workers were advocating to the attorney who then was advocating to the judge and after like watching all this stuff I was like okay well I don't want to be this person in the courtroom that's like jumping up and down screaming like

please listen to me. And so I was like, I need to just go to law school so that way I can have that direct conversation with the judge and advocate for these kids in this foster care system. And what really started it is this one case where this kid, all this little boy wanted was a haircut and he wasn't getting one and nobody was listening. And so the attorney was like, it's just a haircut. Like this is something that means so much to

Elizabeth Campbell (03:26.6)
to him, to you, you think it's just a haircut, it's just something normal, but this boy had never had one. And it was a whole fiasco in the courtroom, but that little moment just shifted that boy's perspective and that attorney didn't, I think in the moment was doing a good thing, but I don't think he realized how impactful it was for some of us watching. so anyways, that's kind of where I was like, okay, I need to go, I wanna be that person. So I didn't think I was

going to make it because I was looking on like a lot of the big like Harvard and like the big law schools and like you get on their website and their application process and you have to pay money to apply and then you have to you know submit all your transcripts and I originally thought well I didn't do mock trial in high school I didn't I was did not make great grades in high school I hated school I didn't thrive well I don't feel like high school I don't feel like they do a good job of helping kids

kids like individually learn, especially kids who are coming from a background where their home life is not great. And so I hated school. My grades weren't good. I didn't do a lot of like extra activities in high school. So I never thought I was going to actually make it to law school. And then luckily my boyfriend was like, you should just apply. Like so what? You didn't do all those things. Like just do it. So I studied for the LSAT. My score wasn't like Harvard worthy to get in, but it was enough.

to have a choice of law schools to get in. And another piece of advice too is when you apply to law school, it costs like $100 to apply or $50 to apply. If you call the admissions office, they usually will waive that fee, which most of us are a little scared to ask, but all I did was ask and they waived it no problem. So I just encourage those who feel like why I don't have money to apply, if you just call and ask, usually they will waive that

So don't let that deter anybody. So then I took the LSAT and then like I said, my score was good enough to get in, but it wasn't like Harvard worthy, which is okay. And after that, I was like waiting to hear, you know, from law school to see if I like got in anywhere. And I was like super convinced I wasn't gonna get in. And the school that I go to, the most important values that they have are

Elizabeth Campbell (05:55.88)
students who've shown that they can go through law school and make it. So it's not that you had like a 3.5 to 4.0 your whole life from high school on. They just want to see that, okay, well, even though you messed up, you can come back and go hard and do what you need to do. My GPA starting in community college was like a two point something. It was absolutely terrible because I didn't want to be there. And so that transcript looks horrible.

and then once I found social work and was like, okay, I have something I want to do. I improved my grades because I wanted to be there. And so I really thought that having that like two point something GPA in community college was going to hold me back. But one of the reasons that they chose somebody who had like bad grades to begin with and then improved it is because law school is completely different. It's like learning a new language. I don't care what you learned in high school or undergrad, you just

to throw it all away, because once you go to law school, you're learning something completely different. So that's kind of how I got into law school. And then when I got my acceptance, I actually wasn't going to answer the phone. It was an area code that I didn't know. And I was actually leaving my grandfather's funeral, literally pulling out. And my boyfriend was like, that's the area code of a law school that you applied for. You should probably answer. And I was like, no, I'm not going to answer.

Not today. And then I answered it and I had got accepted or whatever. So yeah, I encourage anybody. I don't care what grades you made in the past. I don't care if you told yourself your whole life that you aren't good enough to be an attorney, because that's what I told myself. We all feel like an imposter. We all feel like we don't belong, that we're not smart enough or capable to be there. But everybody there is. One of my best friends has five kids. She's not working. Her husband's like caring.

a lot of the financial load and she's making A's and B's. So I just really encourage anybody to apply. Whatever your situation is, just apply. Just do it.

Lauren Martin (08:05.081)
No, I love that. And I'm glad we already started out on that note because, like you said, I think a lot of times just our society and even with social media, we feel like there's a certain bar or something you have to hit unless something doesn't count, quote unquote. And like you said, like at the end of the day, you're at a law school. You're going to be and have that degree. So it doesn't matter where you go. And I think we just have to get out of our own way sometimes. So I'm so glad you touched on that and then other pieces.

It sounds like your boyfriend played a huge role in guiding you on this journey. Obviously, you're the one that ended up putting in the work, but I think that just speaks to the importance of having someone in your circle that can really motivate you, can even see your potential before you see it yourself. So don't know if you want to even touch on that piece a little bit more, what that meant to you of having somebody serve that and be that person that really is behind you, pushing you along the way.

Elizabeth Campbell (08:57.886)
Yeah, so.

We now we have been together for close to 10 years and so we were kind of at I think the seven ish mark at the time and we he was living at his mom's house. I was living in my dad's house. I was a server. I was just like we were barely making it and I really wanted to do something with myself and I didn't know what and I we were sitting in the car.

You know, some of the best deep conversations happen in a car. And so we were just sitting there and talking about like our hopes and dreams. And I was like, you know, it'd be really cool to be an attorney. I think we have watched Parks and Rec and if anyone's watched it and they've seen Leslie Knope, I was like, if Leslie Knope could be successful, like I can be successful. And then I had seen some things about, you know, attorneys. I knew a lot of attorneys in my community because being a server, they came into my restaurant a lot.

Lauren Martin (09:34.243)
Mm-hmm.

Elizabeth Campbell (10:00.626)
So I was like, I want to do that. Like I want to wear the women's pantsuit. Like I want to feel powerful. I want to have my own career. I want to be independent and self-sufficient. And I was just explaining all these things to him and he was like, well, why can't you apply to law school? I don't understand why you can't go. And I was like, well, I never did mock trial. They always say if you're interested in law in law school and high school, you should do mock trial and you should have great grades and you know, all these expectations.

You need to be like the perfect person in your community. And he was like, does it say that anywhere? So he literally on his own phone started like Googling law schools and like the application process. Only requirement is to have a four year degree and to make a certain score on the LSAT. That's actually it. You don't need to do anything else. You don't need to be the star in your community. You don't need to have excelled in high school. You don't need to have excelled even in college.

You just have to have a four-year degree in anything. It could be basket weaving. It could be fishing if that's a degree offered. You know, you just have to have a four-year degree. And I run into, I had a 16-year-old ask me a couple weeks ago. She was thinking about going to law school and she was really concerned about her undergrad degree. And I told her, you know, she's like, think I'm going to do political science. That's what, you know, a lot of the law kind of classes are. And

I think that's a good place to start. I think if you want to see if you're interested in law school, some of those classes are good to take, especially like the legal writing classes, because legal writing is not the same as writing a regular essay. However, whatever you learn in those classes will not apply in law school. It's just completely and totally different. I think it's important to, I did that as a minor and I'm really thankful I did political science as a minor and I had a different major.

simply because the people who focused solely on political science or law things came into law school thinking they knew everything and were really shocked that everything was just completely different. having those support systems is great and I encourage people to reach out to people you don't know. I was cold calling attorneys, emailing attorneys in my community after my boyfriend looked all that up and I was like, okay, maybe I can apply to law school. This isn't 

Elizabeth Campbell (12:29.896)
impossible I started shadowing people and let me tell you, most people are gonna answer that phone and be like, my gosh, you're interested in law? Like, please come hang out with me. Like, come see a day in my life. There's gonna be a few people who ignore you or a few people who tell you that they're too busy, but the majority of the time, they will be so excited that a potential law student has, you know, called them and wants to see what it's like. I had an attorney just take me under his wing before law school.

I got to go to court with him in multiple counties. He was so generous that he told me the ins and outs of law school. He gave me like the best advice. So if you don't have a support system, even though my story is my boyfriend pushed me to do that, if you can do that for yourself and then create a support system and do not be scared to reach out to people in your community, they are going to be so willing to help and they're going to want to keep tabs on you through.

throughout your journey. The people that you will meet are the people that will shape your future. You could say, okay, I live in this little town where there's nothing happening and then I moved to a bigger city in Tennessee. I don't know if we have a big city, but I moved to a bigger city and the people in my small town know a lot of people in the big city even though I'm three and a half hours away and they will help you do anything you want to do.

Some people I know don't have those people in their life like I did to say, why can't you do this thing? Let me help you and push you to do the thing. If you can do that for yourself and find those people in the community that want to see you be successful, I really do think that that will encourage you more and do not be afraid to randomly call and email people. I think that was one of the best things I've ever did.

Lauren Martin (14:26.08)
Yeah, no, I agree. And that's another reason why we even have this podcast because even like you said, someone doesn't have that in their life. Hopefully they listen to this episode and say, wow, if Elizabeth did it, if that's Elizabeth's background, then why can't I? That's my background too, or something similar. Or even how you're talking about Parks and Rec, you saw a TV show and you're like, okay, if she can do it, then like, why can't I do it? So I think let's talk about representation. Like how, we already touched on it a little bit, but how did that representation?

like impact your journey, whether it was the lack of it or maybe seeing a woman from a similar background and you knowing that that's something you can accomplish because she did it. Or I know for you, you're so big on like, once I become an attorney, I want to help other women get through the journey of going to law school. So yeah, let's talk about that for a little bit.

Elizabeth Campbell (15:12.59)
I... As weird as it sounds, like seeing...

like Parks and Rec and seeing like somebody like, you know, the main character Leslie Knope like wear all these fancy pants suits and like she's really getting it in that show, you know, she's really taking charge even though it's the Parks and Rec department. That was really cool to me because I wanted to feel that way. I wanted to feel passionate about something and I felt passionate about juvenile law. I felt passionate about helping kids and things like that, but I didn't know how to actually do the things. And so

Seeing other women, I had the benefit of being a waitress, a server, and these women coming into the restaurant. I got to meet some of these women attorneys. I got to see them come in and be successful and have their families and have their careers. so watching that, one of the ladies that kind of like helped shape my vision, she had children later in life. So she went to law school.

law school started her career and I think she was like in her late 30s before they actually had kids and so I was that was something I was worried about because I was like, okay, well I'm about to turn 30 now. So by the time I graduate and get my like career going it's gonna be I'm not gonna be like young anymore. So if she can do it if this lady's in here and she's an awesome attorney very well known in the community and has children and is successful in life.

is going well for her, then I should be able to do that as well. And then when I got to law school, one of the most interesting things to me was I wasn't surrounded by a lot of like super young people. We had actually one girl in our class who was 19 because she was just super smart and like flew through school, but everybody else was either older than me or around my age. Like I said, my best girl I met in law school who's now my

Elizabeth Campbell (17:16.86)
best friend has five kids. Another one of my friends, she's in her 40s killing it. She was a nurse before. She has her own business. So she's running a business and going to law school and has a whole family. Like there's so many people from so many different backgrounds with so many challenges in law school that are actually like killing it. So when you get there and you're thinking you're shaking in your boots because you're like, no, I don't belong here. don't

know how I got accepted here. All these people probably are really successful with 4.0s. No, these people also feel the same exact way as you. They don't know how they got here. They don't feel like they belong here. A lot of people, I think we all thought, okay, well, the guys and girls sitting next to me, their parents must be attorneys. Well, not very many people I go to law school with have that. I don't have one attorney in my family. And so my parents are from military background.

So I didn't get to see the traditional like go to college do a career etc thing like I'm kind of like doing that in my family and so a lot of people in law school are doing the same thing and Something that really caught my attention when they were doing orientation is a lot more women go to law school Than men but a lot more men practice law than women so they're still trying to figure out where that disconnect happens and what

happens like these women go to law school and then like don't practice when they get out or they do and they end up feeling I had a woman tell me that it felt like a good old boys club when you like get into law but that's starting to go away now because a lot of us women are like absolutely not like it's time for us to shine it's time for us to be able to dominate a circle and be successful and these older men don't have that power anymore and there's a lot of women starting

groups like even Soul Sisters. There's a group if anybody has Facebook I think it's called in whatever wherever location you're at it's like women attorneys in and then your location and that's a good like connection and place to to be and they let me tell you like we rally and support each other so it's really cool to just watch that and I think being able to connect with those women before and then after I got here you know shaped

Elizabeth Campbell (19:46.309)
shaped a lot of that.

Lauren Martin (19:48.175)
No, I love that. And I feel like I'm hearing a combination of you can't stand in your own way, plus the power of community. And I feel like those two things are so powerful because even speaking for myself, I know I can get in my head so many times and it's just like, okay, I can literally stop myself from reaching my goals and my dreams, or I can step aside and continue to push through and do it with fear. Cause like you said, those little thoughts and fear, it's not gonna go away for being honest. It's always gonna be theirs, but you just have to do it with it.

you have to learn how to still push through and step outside your comfort zone. Because most likely, whatever you're striving for, whatever you want to achieve, you can't do that within your comfort zone. And the only way to grow is by doing things scared, by trying new things, by doing things that may make you look a little silly at first, until, like you said, you figure it out eventually. And then, like you said, with community, I think it's so impactful to have people around you that are truly there to support you, and also people that are going through what you're going through.

Because even though I have soul sisters and I'm here to support you, I don't know what it's like to be in law school. I don't know what it's like to be an attorney. So I think it's awesome you have those other communities of women that can really relate to you on that side of things.

Yeah, so if you could go back to your first day of law school, what is the one thing you wish you knew or you'd like to share with someone that's about to start law school?

Elizabeth Campbell (21:09.14)
Hmm, let's see. Okay.

One thing I wish I knew, and they repeat over and over, I don't care what law school you go to, they're gonna tell you it gets easier once you get further through law school. And that is just not true. I think it should be worded a different way. You get used to it, but I don't think it gets easier. I wouldn't bank on the fact that it gets easier. I think a piece of me did. And you can't let up studying, because if you're in law school, want it, grab it.

Do everything you can, do the best you can, join all the clubs. And somebody told me that too on the first day of law school. It was a 3L as well. And she said, join all the clubs, just do it. Find your people, find what you like to do. There'll be different clubs for different interests. And so I did that and everyone says it gets easier. I wish somebody would have told me that that wasn't true because I was really banking on the fact that it did.

Thank

The material you start with in law school is the basic stuff and it's gonna be hard because you've never, it's like learning a complete new language. You've never seen it before, you don't understand it. You're hoping Google can explain it to you because you feel like your professors can't. And so once you get to your second year and your third year, the material gets a little harder, but hopefully by then it feels easier because you know how to study. I'm a flashcard person, so I thrive doing flashcards.

Elizabeth Campbell (22:43.048)
flashcards with colors because your brain memorizes colors. And so that's what worked for me. But the material got harder. So I'm hoping, okay, second year I entered into evidence class, it's going to be easy. Absolutely not. And so if you, if the first year law student knows this is going to be hard all three years, but I'm going to hit the gas pedal and I'm not going to hit the brake and I'm just going to go until I can't go anymore. I promise you.

You'll thank yourself and do not bank on the fact that it gets easier. It will get easier if you set yourself up. I think the best advice somebody gave me was to pack on as much as you can handle. Don't overdo your classes. But I went through the summers. I didn't take a summer break. I did classes during the summer. And now in my third year, my last two semesters, thankfully it did get easier. But this is the I'm in my last two semesters. So I did not feel easy until now.

now.

I just don't have enough classes. I have my required bar prep class. I only have one required class and then I have electives. Thankfully electives in law school are way easier. But you still have to work. Your electives in law school, you don't have to memorize the law and spit it out on an exam, but you're drafting documents and you're writing things so you're still doing work. It's just not memorizing and learning the material that it used to be.

For anybody watching this that goes to law school or thinking about going to law school and you hear an attorney or another student say it gets easier, just know it gets easier in a different way and do not bank on the fact that your last year is just gonna be, you're just gonna be big chilling, cause you're not. And you need to get out there, your classes are gonna be easier, but you need to get out there and network. You need to meet people in your community or wherever you plan on practicing and a lot of your free time is gonna be spent

Elizabeth Campbell (24:44.916)
other things than law school so it's just not gonna feel easier but that's okay and just know that you are leading up to your Super Bowl, your bar exam and just do everything you need to do to get there and do not let the burnout get you. Just don't. It's not gonna feel easier and that's okay. Just know the people that told you that are just telling you that to get you in law school but please, please do everything you can and do not bank on the fact that it's easier and

try as hard as you can all the way up into that last semester because I've watched a lot of people say it gets easier and then they just quit and hit the brakes and now their GPA is tanked and they're really upset because they hit the break. Just don't do that. If I could go back to my first day of law school I wish somebody would have told me that.

Lauren Martin (25:34.989)
Yeah, and I hope people are listening and receiving what you just shared because the way I was thinking about it, I like we're both people that try to be, you know, little fit. So I was thinking about it as like almost a gym analogy of like when you first start going to the gym, you're going to have lighter weights. But as you continue to the gym, like you said, it's not going to necessarily get easier because your weights or for law school, the workload is going to get a little tougher. But like you said, you're still having to put in the same amount of effort. And at the of the day, like you said, it's just trying to help you become the attorney that you want to be.

So just think about us three years, three years and it doesn't feel like it, but three years does go by pretty quickly. And it will be over before you know it. And I always tell people, especially when you're going through a hard season, this may sound crazy, but you have to enjoy it because there's going to be a day when you graduate it and you're to be like, man, I kind of missed law school. Like I really wish I could sit back in one of those classes one day. So just making sure that you're like living in the moment and really soaking it up, even though it may be a challenging period. So in the next.

Elizabeth Campbell (26:09.801)
Yes.

Elizabeth Campbell (26:31.881)
Absolutely.

Lauren Martin (26:33.794)
The next question I have for you, know you have a lot of big plans for yourself. So what is next for Elizabeth? Where do you hope to be in the next year, the next five years, maybe even 10 years from now?

Elizabeth Campbell (26:46.42)
Okay, well just want to preface. I say whatever I answer, I want to go back in five years and see if it came true. Yeah. So I am bound and determined to pass the bar on the first try. So the first obstacle and hurdle for me is passing the bar. So on my future when I do pass the bar the first time, I hope to, I have two paths I kind of see myself in. The first path, I really

Lauren Martin (26:52.65)
and listen to it, yeah!

Elizabeth Campbell (27:16.306)
want to work for kind of a mid-sized firm and learn with people and under some attorneys that are more seasoned about different things. I really enjoy personal injury. I think it's a good way to help people but not be so emotionally attached. I have, like I said, a social worker's heart, so I really want to do family law. I'm just nervous to bring that home with me every day. It's really, really hard. You see some awful, awful things.

But personal injury is a way to help people but also it's not like, okay, well this person might serve a life sentence and if I don't win this case then you you have to worry about that and I just don't know if I can handle that. So I really enjoy personal injury. I hope to still in five years be doing personal injury. I do enjoy like landlord-tenant contracts, things like that. I really enjoy like civil law. So I hope to work for some mid-sized firm under somebody who can really

help me because law school teaches you how to think like a lawyer. It doesn't teach you how to practice like a lawyer and thankfully I've been able to get a lot of experience under my belt interning and externing and shadowing a lot of people. So I still want to learn and so I hope in five years I'll be working with a firm with somebody who is willing to take the time to teach me and help me grow as an attorney. That's one path. Another path because we always have a backup

Another path I see myself is opening up my own firm and as soon as I pass the bar take court-appointed cases. For those of you who don't know, it's different than a public defender. Court appointments are when you an attorney goes to the courthouse and somebody like civilly needs an attorney and they can't afford one. In some cases they will the judge will will give you one but it's not a public defender. The public defender is a whole separate entity in office.

Lauren Martin (28:46.954)
yeah.

Elizabeth Campbell (29:16.028)
that's funded by the government. But I hope to either be opening my own firm and learning as I go. I talked to somebody and got a step-by-step plan on how to do that business-wise and then how to do that practically. So I'm kind of setting myself up to, I'm setting my resumes out, I'm talking to people, I'm hoping to work for somebody who's willing to help me grow as an attorney. But if I can't find a good fit or if I get put somewhere that the pay's good,

but I'm making coffees and getting people coffee, I will open my own firm and I will learn the hard way and I will do it. I was scared to do that, but there's no sense in being scared because people do it every day. So those are the two things I see. So in five years, I hope I'm either A, working for myself and killing it, or B, working for somebody else and learning as much as I possibly can and killing it. So we will see.

Lauren Martin (30:15.432)
Yes, I love that you have such a go-getter mentality because I feel like I'm that same exact way. Now, have I fallen on my face? Yes, several times, but we always get back up again. And like you said, at the of the day, doesn't matter what you're doing, I know you're going to be killing it. Like, I am already so proud of you. I'm so glad that I've gotten to kind of see the small glimpse of your journey. And I'm glad that you're sharing your story with other people because I really know and I see how it's going to inspire so many other people that chase after their dreams.

So before we wrap up, if you could give one piece of advice to anyone out there that's navigating this kind of season of life, there may be on the verge of like, okay, I really want to do this, but I'm a little scared. Like, what would you tell someone that is right before they're about to take the leap to really chase after their dreams?

Elizabeth Campbell (31:03.798)
I would say don't let that fear control you because it almost controlled me. I almost didn't apply to law school and didn't I wouldn't be here. I don't know where I would be probably unhappy somewhere. Don't let that fear control you. I this is how I take that fear. I form it mentally in my brain as a superpower. Use that fear to fuel you to ensure you're not making terrible mistakes that you can't fix. Just take the

leap and do it, but because you're scared, try to do it the best you can and try to do it correctly. So if you're scared to apply, just apply, but make sure you're following the directions and how to do everything. You know, apply correctly. I would say a lot of people don't realize how important it is not to have typos in their. I forgot you have to submit an essay to law school, but you need to make sure that that essay doesn't isn't full of like grammatical errors and

spelling issues because you don't want to write it at the last minute. So even though you're scared, let that fear turn that into a superpower and make sure that that fear is fueling you to do the things but in the right ways to ensure you get where you need to go. And then another piece of advice, I know I said it before but it's so important, don't be scared to reach out to people and if you are scared just don't listen to that voice and reach out anyway. Find a list of people on

Google, attorneys or any other profession somebody's interested in. Call the people, leave the voicemails, leave emails. If you don't hear back, follow up in a week or so. These people, promise you, want to talk to you and want to help you see if you need to be in this profession. And I encourage anyone who's thinking about law school, reach out to a few different people and go shadow them. Talk to them, go try to have lunch with them or coffee, a 30 minute conversation.

or go to court with them and shadow them or a lot of courts are even open to the public just go sit in court and watch court. Like seriously talk to these people do not let that fear control you because these people I promise you will help you in every aspect that you can imagine you're gonna make some great friendships and professional connections and again like turn that fear into superpower and just talk to anybody and everybody because you'll realize later that people are gonna recognize your

Elizabeth Campbell (33:33.344)
name and go, I talked to you like two years ago when you were starting law school, it will not hurt you. So again, that fear is a superpower, utilize it and you got this.

Lauren Martin (33:45.107)
I love that. Use your fear as a superpower because honestly that can be the fuel you need to do something. Like you said, you're going to be scared but just do it anyway because my thing has always been, you want to sit back a year, five years, and maybe even longer and be like, man, what would my life have looked like if I'd made that one leap, if I had called that one person, if I had chosen to go back to school? So it's just like, you might as well do it now so you don't have any regrets later on in life.

I really, really appreciate you for joining us today, Elizabeth. It has been a true pleasure having you. And if you had a Sis me too moment during today's episode, make sure to hit follow and share it with a friend who could use a little bit of girl talk in her life. We really appreciate you listening and hope you took something away from today's episode. Bye, sis.

Elizabeth Campbell (34:33.258)
Bye.