Sis, Me Too!
Sis, Me Too, is the podcast where we get real about adulting, navigating life after college, and all the messy, beautiful moments in between. Hosted by Lauren Martin, we’re here to share stories, swap advice, and remind you that it’s totally okay not to have it all figured out. No judgment, just real talk and a whole lot of “me too” moments. So join us as we laugh, reflect, and tackle this crazy thing called life—together. You’ve got this, sis! 💞
Sis, Me Too!
Connecting with Your Heritage + Traveling Solo + Embracing the Unknown
Sis, if you’ve ever felt stuck trying to figure out your next move, you’re not alone. That what next? feeling is real, and in this episode of Sis, Me Too!, we’re diving deep into it with my girl Annie.
Annie had a plan—or at least, she thought she did. But after an unexpected door opened right before graduation, she found herself at a crossroads, unsure of what direction to take. Instead of forcing a path that didn’t feel right, she took a leap of faith—accepting the Fulbright scholarship and moving to Taiwan to further connect with her roots. From navigating new environments to dealing with the weight of uncertainty, she shares how she’s learned to embrace the unknown, trust herself, and lean on her community for support. We also get real about the struggle of balancing ambition with rest and how sometimes friends drift apart.
So, if you’ve ever felt torn between staying in your comfort zone or taking a risk on something new, Annie’s story will remind you that it’s okay to take your time, explore, and create a path that feels right for you.
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Hey, welcome to the Sis Me Too podcast where we dive into the real, the raw, and the relatable moments of adulting. I'm your Sis Lauren Martin, and today we are with Annie, who's actually one of my closest friends that I met back in undergrad during my freshman year at UNC Charlotte. At first, let's just say our personalities did not mix well, but now we are the best of friends, and I'm so grateful not only to have her in my life, but also as our guest today as we discuss life post-grad. Welcome to the podcast, Annie. Yay! Thanks for having me! All right, so I was thinking we can kick things off talking about your journey through college and how in the world you ended up living in Taiwan for one and a half years after graduation. Yeah, it's been a bit of a whirlwind. How I ended up in Charlotte initially was kind of crazy. I was like trying to leave Michigan. I grew up in Michigan in East Lansing and almost all my friends went to Michigan State, which is like the college right in our hometown. And I needed to leave desperately and I really wanted to go south. And so my grandpa was like, let's drive and like see what you find. And so we went. down to Virginia. I looked at a couple of colleges there and we were driving down in South Carolina to look at a college and we saw like a sign for UNC Charlotte on the highway like stopped off the highway and went into the admissions building and then one of the admissions people told me about the Levine Scholars Program and that's kind of the way it went. I applied and somehow ended up getting it and so I found myself at UNC Charlotte and Yeah, it was great. I think the program that we were in gave us a built-in community, which was really nice for the most part. We did NOLS we had a month in the wilderness that we all kind of bonded with each other. And then when college started, we had 19 people that we already knew going in. And so I think that was really nice. But I think after my freshman year, I felt like we were kind of in a bit of a bubble. And so like started expanding out a little bit and then COVID obviously happened and everyone kind of dispersed. so college was good for the most part, but I think there were a lot of ups and downs. like couldn't decide what I wanted to major in, like change that four times. we both kind of bonded over that, I feel like in college. And then, like once I kind of decided what I wanted to major in, it wasn't as straight and narrow as a path as I had initially kind of hoped for. I was in the pre-nursing program for a while, I got into the nursing school and then during COVID was just kind of like, this is not really something that I feel like I can do right now and maybe down the line, but right now I just don't feel like that's for me. And so. I ended up studying business economics and chemistry and like that kind of led me down a path that was way more broad and didn't really give me a straight and narrow path to follow, which was scary, but also kind of opened me up to different options to choose from post-grad. And so I had always kind of felt this bit of a dichotomy in myself of what my identity was and being half Taiwanese and half American and always felt like the relationship with my family and especially my grandparents in Taiwan was not really nearly as developed as I had hoped it could be. And so I ended up applying to a Fulbright and as luck has it, I got it and ended up doing that for a year in Taiwan and then ended up spending six months after that. doing a study immersion Mandarin Chinese language program at a university there. So it's kind of the high level of my journey throughout all that. yeah, it's been fun and a whirlwind and anything but straight and narrow. Definitely. I remember those long nights like you said when we're just trying to figure out what major do we want to do, what do we want to do with our life after college and just feeling like the world was going to end if we made the wrong decision. I remember even calling you when your Fulbright scholarship was over with and saying Annie when are you coming back? Like girl I miss you and then you letting us know that you decided to stay there for a little bit longer. I know you touched on one of your main reasons for going there was to kind of reconnect with your grandparents. Do you feel like you were able to kind of get in tune and in touch with that part of you or how that version of your journey look like while you were there. Yeah, yeah, I do. I feel like it was really just like a super beneficial time like for my personal growth and like nothing that I would ever give back. While I was there through Fulbright, Fulbright is a United States based program. Like you go and you live with other Americans who are in the same program as you. My program was like a little bit bigger. Some other people in different countries have experiences where they're like, living with a host family. And Taiwan actually used to have that too, but with COVID and everything, it switched around. And so I was living with two Americans who have become really close friends and it was great, but I was teaching in a school and I was teaching English. And so with all of that, I was like not really getting like a super immersive experience or as much of one as I maybe would have wanted. I was still going out and like, going to the grocery store and talking to people in Chinese and getting language practice with my coworkers at work outside of the classroom. But I didn't really get a ton of that in that first year, other than, you know, just the day to day and then in going to see my grandparents. But also I was working 40 plus hours a week in the school. I didn't really have a ton of flexibility when it came to like just going and seeing my grandparents frequently. So when the year came to a close through Fulbright, I was like, or I guess it was close to the year being over, I was like, I have loved my experience and I wouldn't give it back, but there are still things that I feel like are left undone. And things kind of worked out how they were supposed to because I had a job offer in Chicago that I initially got straight out of college. and they let me defer by a year. And then about three months before my Fulbright ended, they revoked my offer along with everyone else who was coming in because they just didn't, they were in enough financial place to be able to give new offers. And that was a little ground shattering at first, but it was like one of the easier decisions that I made because I was like in this place where I was feeling a little unfinished with things that I had done in Taiwan and also maybe not totally ready to go back to the United States. And I was kind of just the main reason that I was going back to the US and the main stability that I had in the US was totally removed from under my feet. And so I was like, you know what? Okay, I'm going to stay for six more months. I'm going to still try to apply to jobs in the US while I'm here, but I feel like my language has improved not as well as I would have liked it to. And so I'm gonna spend a lot more time with my family and I'm gonna study Chinese full time. And so that's what got me to stay an extra six months. And I really during that time was able to spend a lot of time with my grandparents. I live with an uncle and aunt and cousin and that was a really nice like cap to my time in Taiwan. Yeah, and that's so awesome. And I'm glad that you were able to kind of make the best of a situation that, like you said, was completely out of your control and really flipped your world upside down. I think that can really relate to a lot of people that are trying to navigate this difficult job market that we're in currently of like, what do you do when you feel like you have an offer? I know I've heard so many stories of people, they're like, they told me they're going to have an offer. Then they just ghost them completely, or they take the offer back. How did you stay motivated and say, okay, you know what, this is not the end of world. I'm going to just keep trying and keep applying. And ultimately you were able to land another job. Yeah, I mean, it's hard. I cried a few times. Like it was an emotional, you know, like process because interviewing is so difficult. Like it is so draining and taxing and like, it is not a fun experience at all. And like, you know, these days you gotta go through five rounds of interviews just to be considered. And yeah, I mean, during that time too, like. lots of people were being laid off. So there were people way more qualified than me applying to positions that should have just been, you know, more entry level. And so it's disheartening, but I think, you know, I think having a bigger perspective of just like things happen for a reason, like it's a very cliche thing, but like, I think when you look back long-term, not always short-term, but like when you can look back at it. further down the line, you can realize that everything kind of fit into place where it should have. Or maybe not even where it should have, but things fit into place and worked out to get you to a better spot in the future. And so I was trying to keep that perspective and it was nice for me to see the progress that I made and aspects of my life that I never would have made if I had gone back to Chicago and had taken that job. My Mandarin improved a lot. so many conversations with my grandparents and like learned about stories of their past and saw pictures and like you know created memories like you know painting with them or something that I never would have gotten if I had gone back and yeah I just think sometimes when times are difficult like that it's just all about the perspective. No, you're so right. And you already know one of my favorite things to say is like if a closed door happens is to help redirect you in the right direction. So I think we're very similar in the way that we try to think through things. And like you said, of course, it's so much easier said than done. But if you can just try to remind yourself of that and also just look on the bright side of the things that are going well or things that you can be grateful for in the moment can also probably be helpful. I kind of want to go back a little bit and touch on like your journey of just self discovery because it sounds like throughout this whole process, even during college, not only were you facing hurdles, but you were having to ask yourself, okay, who is Annie? Like what goals does she want to have for herself? So can you touch on that journey that you're constantly going on? I'm sure you're still discovering new things about yourself to this day. Yeah, my gosh. Literally every day. And I remain like one of the most indecisive people I've ever met. So that's a fun time. my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, I've just always been really indecisive. And like, I think that's just like a part of maybe like being a little bit perfectionistic, but also just like, I think wanting my future to look a certain way. And so I think when I came into college, I was like, you know, wanting to have this future that I idealized in my head. And so I came into college, like, pre-dental, wanting to be a dentist. And then I was like, but maybe I'll major in international studies. And so I like was considering that for a while. And then as time went on was just kind of like, I don't know if like that much schooling is necessarily what I want. And so maybe I could become a nurse. And so I applied to the nursing program, got all my prereqs for that. Like I said, I got into the nursing school and then that ended up just not feeling right. Um, but in the midst of all of that, just not feeling right, it wasn't nearly as simple as that. Like I went back and forth so much you and I had so many conversations just about like what the right decision is. And like, I think I just consistently have struggled in my life of like what the right decision is or like what the better decision is and I'm definitely not perfect at it now but like I'm continuing to work on having more of the perspective of there are two decisions in front of me and I can take either one and God will guide me in whatever direction I need to go in like If I choose path A, like that's my choice. And I will be led on a path that is good in path A and I will be led on a path that is good on path B. And it's not so much what the right thing is, but more just what the decision is going to be. And like you make the most of whatever path you lead. And so I have more of that perspective now in college. I had a lot less of that. And so for all of college, like, you know, up through graduation, I was just kind of like, now I'm not doing nursing, now my path is not laid out for me. Again, that was really enticing because I, with nursing, I didn't really have to make that many more decisions again. I was a nurse, if I wanted to go get my master's, it would be in nursing. And so, yeah, I didn't choose that route and ended up, you know, doing two majors that were totally different and like, having the world of possibilities in both. And yeah, and then that kind of shifted me into getting more of an interest in like health equity and kind of more of like the public policy, public health side of things and like piqued my interest in that. And so, yeah, I have a lot of things that I like and that I'm interested in and that was kind of the path that I was led down for that. that's what I used to always tell any in college. I'm like, girl, it's not like black and white. Like, it's not like you go down this one path and your life is going to be completely over. And I get it. I have to remind myself of that often too. I think one, we talked about this before. It's like, I think it has to do one with us being perfectionist, but also just the type of student we were. Like when you were a student, your whole identity and everything laid out for you. You also are constantly giving so much feedback, whether it be through grades, report cards, whatever it may be. And when you enter the world, it's just like, okay, free for all. Like you have to make all these decisions on your own. And I totally get it too, like being an entrepreneur and trying to do this path. There's like, what direction do I choose? There's so many different paths. What do I do first? Is that even gonna lead to where I want to be? So I totally understand that piece of it all. Yeah, I mean in entrepreneurship it's like the biggest world you could possibly have like you're creating something on your That's so many decisions you have to make every day. Yeah. touched on to you having so many interests and things that you enjoy doing. like, how do you make time for yourself after your nine to five? What does that look like for you? Do you invest in any hobbies? Basically, how do you still pour into yourself and pursue your purpose or calling in life? Yeah, I'm still trying to figure that out too. I recently started doing digital art. So once I started my nine to five, I work for value-based care, PCP group that provides services to people on Medicare. And I am on the patient experience team trying to help optimize the patient experience there. And that has definitely fulfilled a part of that. interest and passion for doing things related to health equity and helping more people gain access to health care at an affordable rate. We build a lot of our clinics in lower income health deserts and so I think has fueled that passion that I have and so I think that's one part of it is that it's really important. for you to do something that you like, or at least be able to see the mission in what you're doing and see the bigger picture of it. My job is not great all the time, and so I think I tend to lose sight of that sometimes, but I know the mission of the organization and that helps me continue day to day. Outside of work though, I really have gotten into this digital art, and so I actually... have done a couple of art shows, which has been really fun. So over Christmas there were a couple of art shows in Chicago that I joined. And yeah, I sold my digital art at them. I have different cityscape pieces. They're super colorful, like a patchwork sky kind of theme throughout all of them. But I'd basically doodle them on my tablet. And then turn them into prints. And yeah, it's turned into a little bit of a side business, which has been really fun and like something that's kind of fueled me to get through the day sometimes during work is just to be able to like relax and do that and kind of enjoy that hobby outside of work. Other than that, I've been spending a lot of time with my grandparents, which has been really nice. actually just got back from visiting them and yeah just help them out. They're getting older and like need more help so that's been just fun for me to cook new recipes and help them out with the the household things. I really love traveling. I like was able to travel a lot when I was in Taiwan and now with my nine to five it's been a little bit more difficult but I do have a remote job when I wanted to be remote and so I have been able to travel more around the US, which has been fun. I just went to Hawaii and visited a friend for about a week and that was nice to be able to work from there. I did have to work from 4 a.m. to 1 p.m., which was a little bit of an early morning, but it was fun to, just work from a new environment and gave me a little bit of a change of pace. So yeah, those are a couple of the things that I... have enjoyed, and things that keep me sane throughout sometimes a dreary work week. Yeah, I mean it's all about balance because I mean unfortunately in the world we live in you kind of have to work to make money. So I think like you said one finding a job that's not going to totally suck you dry meaning like you said either care about the purpose that they're working towards or you just really love the job that you're actually working on and then two find those things outside of work that are going to recharge you and refuel you is really important. I know you touched on one being travel any travel tips you have? For any of our listeners, know you've done a lot of international, but also, like you said, across the state. travel tips? I think it just depends on the type of person you are. I'm like, I actually prefer traveling alone and so I like giving myself in traveling alone, like obviously you kind of need to have some sort of idea of what you're doing. I like to give myself like a loose itinerary of like maybe three things that I want to do in a day or like one main thing that I want to do in that day and as long as I do that then I can feel like I did what I wanted to do. I like at the beginning of my traveling, I would kind of try to create this super rigid, I need to go to all five of these places in a day. And then it'd be like, oh, I'm so sad I didn't make it to this thing. And that makes traveling stressful, I feel like. So being a little more flexible and go with the flow with traveling, if you stop in a store and you start up a conversation with the store owner and you spend an hour and a half in there, it's no big deal. That's kind of the point of traveling and what it's all about is meeting people and learning about the culture and enjoying the local foods and everything that's there. So yeah, think that's one of my tips is just like, if you're traveling alone, don't be so rigid about all these things you need to do. Just be flexible and give yourself time to see the things that you wanna see. After college, I went to a number of countries in Europe and I tried to go to a bunch of countries within one month. And that was probably, looking back, not the greatest idea. I loved it, I met so many different people, it was so fun. But I feel like I just did a lot of the stereotypical things you do in 48 hours in a country type of thing. And didn't necessarily get to like get fully immersed in a lot of the smaller towns and the like just walking around slowly seeing all the sights. And so I think that's something I would recommend too is not trying to rush your travel because we hopefully have a long life and like there's time to do those things. So I guess yeah, those are my two tips for traveling. Those are good tips. What about the girlies like me? You say solo traveling especially in a whole different country and I'm like, ugh, I'm terrified. Let's not do that. So do you have a tip to help maybe somebody just finally book the trip, book the flight if they are wanting to travel but may not have someone that can go with them? Yeah, I mean this is a hot take, but I would highly recommend staying in hostels. I think that if you're traveling alone, if you stay in a hostel, you'll never travel alone. I went and stayed in so many hostels and I met so many cool people that I ended up traveling with within that day or within the few days that I was in a country. And that was so much more enjoyable just to be able to share it with someone. I think part of reason that I like traveling to different places alone is because I like to take my own time and do things. on a day trip somewhere, if you meet someone cool, it's nice to be able to share that experience with this person that you just met and learn about their story and learn about where they came from. So I guess that's one of my tips for that. I also would just say if you're struggling with booking the ticket, just track the flight prices. I sometimes will track a flight price for like six months or longer and the flight prices go all over the place. But if the flight price goes down and you're looking at the graph and it's at the lowest point, just book it. It's probably not going to go any lower and you're getting the best deal from however long you've tracked it. I think sometimes you just got to bite the bullet and do it. I feel like you never regret traveling. Yeah, no, that's definitely so true. I'm becoming more of an experienced person as I'm starting to see the value of different experiences. I think if you don't mind, we can like completely kind of shift the gear and talk about like friendships. So what's it like moving to a new city? Again, I so many people in their 20s are moving to new cities for the first time. How did you navigate that and build your community in the new place that you moved to, which for you is Chicago? Yeah, I was a little nervous. think I like, I had a lot of people that I knew from high school that were in Chicago, but they were not close friends really. And they were not necessarily like anyone that I wanted to particularly spend time with in this stage of life. But I was a little worried that I might not have friends and then I would, you know, be hanging out with these people that I just didn't really feel like I meshed with. So. I was nervous and it was a bit of a scary situation. When I went to Taiwan, I also was in a similar situation though. And I just learned that you meet people as you go and you find the community for you and the environment and the communities will come to you to a certain extent. I got connected to a church pretty soon and that got me connected to a lot of really close friends that I have in the city. And honestly, the other place that I've met a lot of my friends is at work. I have a lot of people in the office that are around the same age as me. And thankfully, even though we can work remote, a lot of people choose to be in the office a couple of times a week anyways. And so it's become a nice community of people to have lunch with and chat with and one friend I do pottery with. fairly frequently on Thursday nights after work. And yeah, it's been nice to build a new community and develop new relationships. I think when you're younger, you think that you've got to have like all of these friends and you have to be popular or something and you have to fit the mold of what's around you. And as you get older and find who you are, it becomes, I need to find friends that fit me. And that may mean that you lose friends here and there, but it means that you can get more people around you and in your corner that are gonna support you for you and really just fulfill who you are and like fill into your cup. I also. have found in Chicago, like I don't need a bunch of friends. Like have a few friends that I am growing closer to and that's kind of all that I want and that's all that I need. Yeah, quality over quantity is so true when it comes to friendships. And you touch on two other important things. If people are struggling to find friends, think about the interesting things that you enjoy doing as a person and then go to those places or do those activities. for you, it happened to be your faith in the church. And then you also mentioned pottery or even work. Like just think about things that you already enjoy doing, because if you go meet people in those spaces and you're already going to have at least one thing in common with them. So that's tip number one. And then something else you touched on I think is so important for people, especially our age to remember is you mentioned people in high school, you said it may not be a good friendship for this season of your life. A lot of times in your 20s, you're going to lose or your friendships are going to evolve because you're going through a new phase. You're becoming a new person, you're evolving. So you really have to kind of do an audit of your friendships and you say, hey, is this person still serving? the purpose they once were serving in my life, are we still able to add value to each other's lives? And if the answer is no, then that's okay. Just know that you may have outgrown that friendship. So thank you for bringing both of those things up, because I think that's really important for us to remind ourselves of. Yeah, I think it's hard because like it's hard to be on either end of that. Like sometimes you're the friend that someone else feels like maybe doesn't fit into their life and that hurts and it feels hard. I know we've both gone through an experience like that before and like sometimes you're on the other end and I think to have the perspective that it just kind of happens and you know people change and that's a good thing. I think that's I think that's important to have. Yeah, definitely. So what's next for Annie? I know again, we talked about being indecisive, still figuring out who we are, but where do you see yourself in one year, five years, or maybe even a decade from now? man. I'm like, how about two weeks? Yeah, I think I am gonna stay in Chicago for a little while longer, like maybe one or two years. It's been really nice like after I was gone and then I was in North Carolina for college. It's been really nice to be closer to my family and like closer to my grandparents here who I mentioned are getting older and I think I would like to be here for the short term. I'm happy with my job and you know, no job is perfect, but it's filling what I am hoping to achieve right now. Looking a little bit more long-term, I'd like to go back to school. So I'm trying to get my head wrapped around starting on some GRE stuff. And I'm looking into a couple of different programs. And yeah, mean, further down the line, hopefully I'll be married and settled and having more stability. think that's something that I've always desired in my life and something that my indecision has always led me to is like, okay, I'm indecisive, but I know that I want stability and I know that I want, I kind of want to know what's coming. I love traveling and I think I love the excitement of that, but from day to day, I think I'm the type of person that really wants to kind of settle down. so more long-term, I would love to be able to just be settled and have a family and have a job that I enjoy and that I kind of know what's going on with. And yeah, maybe grow my art business. I'm doing my best to improve my website that's currently in the works. And yeah, maybe do some more art shows and grow that. think that could be fun. I currently only have Chicago cityscape pieces, but I'm trying to expand into some new horizons there. So, yeah. I love that. definitely once the website's up and going, give me the link so I can include that in the show notes in case anyone's interested in checking out your art work, because I haven't seen it, but I already know it looks amazing. So thanks for sharing that piece of you with us. If you could give a piece of advice to someone that's kind of in a similar stage of life, let's say she's kind of somewhat situated, she's been in the job, she feels happy with where she's at, but she's also kind of like you. potentially might have a career shift in the future or even just interested in a few different things. What perspective or things would you like to share with her? I think if you're trying to decide between a few things, something that I'm trying to do right now is just talk to people in the different career professions that I'm interested in and gauge what they like about it, what they don't like about it, and then from there decide what may be the best fit for you. I know a lot of times when you're talking to people, they like to show you the good side of it, but if... Even if you know just the good side of things that someone is doing in their day-to-day job, there are certain things that tend to be more or less appealing. so just speaking to real people who are doing those things that you're interested in could be really helpful and something that I'm trying to do right now. And I think just like something that I have found a lot more insight into in the past couple of years is just like, there's no real rush. And so like, if you're happy and you're enjoying what you're doing right now and you're liking your job and things are going all right, like you don't need to make a change right now. Like again, the hope is that your life is long. And so you've got lots of time to shift and transition. Yeah, there's no rush and there's no need to do things right away. I think that perspective can come a lot better after you're out of college when things are not so intense and everybody's trying to get the best job and you're kind of still really worried about the reputation that you have around your peers. And yeah, think continuing to grow in the space that you're in in any way, just because you're not changing your job and you're not moving to a new place doesn't mean you're not still growing. And so just continue to grow in the ways that you want and once you feel like you're in a place that you are ready for transition, then start to do the things that you want to do to get there. But one step at a time is always the way to go, I think. Don't stress yourself out too much. It's just life. We're all trying to figure it out. I love that we're all trying to figure it out. And then I'm going to add just one more piece to what you just said I feel like, especially now with us being about three years post grad, I'm seeing and feeling a sense of people feeling pressured that they have to switch jobs or that they should be promoted by now. And like you were saying, like if you're happy with where you're at and you know that you're kind of on the path that you want to be in life, don't feel like you have to do things because quote unquote, it feels like everyone else is doing them. So I just wanted to add that to what you just shared. Yeah, I like that kind of is happening to me actually right at the moment. Like my company just got acquired a little while ago and the seniority structure is shifting and so what would have been a promotion and title for me after one year now is no longer and that promotion happens after two years and yeah there is some some pressure of like you know people are saying this is not good people are saying that i should be looking at another job so that i can continue to work up the ladder But I just, I don't know, I don't feel like that's necessarily necessary. Like if you're enjoying your job and it's something that you're feeling fulfilled in, like the pressures externally of trying to move up the ladder at a certain speed or the pressures of like, you know, for in my instance, something changing from what I expected to now something different, like. Things are gonna change, like your job's not gonna be the same from day to day, let alone from year to year. It's gonna happen, but it doesn't necessarily mean that you need to drop everything and change it. think sometimes you just gotta move with the current. Move with the current, that's good. Go with the flow, because, whoo, do we know? In adulting, life is going to throw its curve balls at unexpected moments, and you just have to really go with it, because if not, yeah, you just have to learn to go with the punches, and you'll be okay. And again, if you have community around you, they'll be there to support you through those changes as well. So, Annie, again, I just wanted to thank you so much for joining us. It was truly a pleasure having you. And if you are listening and you had a Sis me too moment during today's episode, make sure to hit follow and share it with a friend who could use a little bit of girl talk in her life too. Bye, sis. Bye!
